Now we have some idea on how Idaten's are formed and maybe it might be the same for the Demon Lord..

The Human sister looks like a pain in the b*tt.. Hopefully she sees the terrible things happening in the country and realize that her beliefs are just not going to handle what's happening there..

*sighing and facepalming at the nun* lol

Look. Let's be honest. If this series was just the bland "let's slay demons" theme, I wouldn't be watching it. Reading the comments here. Some people, at least, seem to want that. I tell them to collectively f-off.

So you agree with what the nun was saying to Prontea? I have an even bigger problem with that. Prontea just saved her bloody life and she's more concerned about her "morals"?? Morals she wasn't even completely sure off?

i thought Prontea made the best counterpoint to her "sense of morality" when he said "if i had been weaker and struggled in the fight but ultimately won, would you have felt better about it then?" She wasn't mad at Hayato when he beat the Emperor but almost died himself. So would seem that her morals are a bit misguided. I also think that's a moral discrepancy that many humans would experience.

exactly. I loved Prontea's response to her.

Prontea is CHAD, lol

Glad prontea made her sleep, he made the best choice

yeah seems that nun's sense of morality have some serious double standard . and also idealist can be dangerous ppl when they want to force their ideal onto a reality that can't possibly fit them .

A new idaten has been born and hayato pulled her out and she gill looks exactly like that hill girl nun hot

Yeah I agree with her. If you were in a life or death battle, you can't afford to worry about others' lives but if you were as powerful as Prontea, you can afford that. You could easily hold him as a prisoner or have that mind controlling surgery on him. It's not that hard. The only thing preventing them from doing that is laziness.

i mean that's something we deal with in are world too it is what it is some people just don't make since.

Edit-also i love your pfp-

I guess people misunderstood the reason why the nun felt that way. At instant speed, Prontea casually beheaded a living entity and cast away the head with no remorse (Zero f**ks are given). Not even a single prayer to send the dead peacefully to the afterlife. Instead, this nun just witness blood oozing out from a head right before it's cast aside. I think it's just hard to draw anyone's emotion w/o experiencing firsthand the true terror of Prontea's might. The only distracting quality is Prontea's clown-like Kingdom Heart feet ... like Goddayuum. They would make the buck$ on OnlyFan for them feet pics ...

The demon would've done the exact same thing to her though. He at least cared enough to save her life.

Okay. Let's forget about that for a second and talk about her perception. (Sorry. I'm trying to dissect her thought process here.) We know her life's work as a nun. She was also subjected to sexual pleasures for the first time. Her mind is at a state of confusion. I had to rewind for a bit and try to visualize her perspective and feel her emotions of the sheer thought of Prontea decapitating of what she might thought of as a human.

She probably would've done the same thing had she not been sexually assaulted though. She seems to be very strong in her faith and beliefs. So let's just say she was right and that Prontea shouldn't have taken a life so easily. Then what? What should he have done? Let the demon attack her to justify him killing it? Or letting the demon injure him so it's justified?

How about restraining him and doing that surgery on him.

You are Naive.......if ever such a thing happens in real life youll be the first to die

That is needless killing. It's inhumane.

the Idaten arent even humane to begin with. theyere not humans. youre asking a non human to act humane

That old man robot knows a lot about that girl hmm I wonder why no really

"Humane acts" are things that intelligent beings should do to preserve and protect everyone's happiness. I am not fine with one thing only. You can't call the Idaten "good/righteous" and the demons "bad/evil". They're both evil. That's the point of this whole show.

This is precisely the thought process of Gill, a human who watched a God just casually kill a demon. Things differ greatly depending on ones perspective. Especially inhuman ones.

Why would they need another mole? You seem to forget that the role of the Idaten is to kill demons to protect humanity as a whole from going extinct because of them. How is Prontea wrong for doing his job so to speak?

That's not their role. In fact they don't have a role tbh. They were born out of people's need of salvation. In other words, their role,if you're going to insist on that, is to give people salvation. Killing modern demons isn't the only way to salvation. There is another option to bring salvation to all and that's brainwashing them to stop hunting humans.

Have you actually been paying attention to the anime at all? It has literally been stated numerous times that Idaten's duty in this world is to eradicate the threat of demons. They even do this out of instinct. Remember when Ysley was talking about this in episode 2? Even though they don't care about humans' personal struggles, they still feel compelled to protect them from demons and to eliminate their threat. Pay attention to the show ffs.

Again, I rather not justify who is in the "right" here. They are both right or wrong for all I care. I simply just want to dissect their thought process here since I saw an interesting detail by rewinding the show. Something that is generally missable the first time you watch it, so it could be a relevant detail later on.

Prontea use flee. It's super-effective!

There's literally thousand of ways to approach this in a non-killing way.

But why would he not kill the demon when that's the Idaten's sole purpose? Like what?

What's the full title of this show again? Megane-kun (Ysley) already brain controlled Piscalat, Neput, Cory, and now Bacode who are currently still demons. Now, I understand it's out of Prontea's nature to do what Ysley did and I do agree with you where Prontea did make a sound argument. However, I'm not too fond of the idea that people have one-sided view of Gil being a dumb b*tch just because the forum said so. I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but here I am trying to break down the reasoning behind a character's viewpoint before I dub a character "worst character of a show". For example, freaking N*na from Code Geass ...

I don't necessarily think the nun is a complete dumbass either. I just very strongly oppose her principles and ideologies she displayed in this episode.

Fair. In turn, I oppose of anyone in the chat saying her principle and ideology is stupid without backing it up with their own reasoning and evidence. Basically, I dislike it when half*ss people bandwagon in situations like these. There are probably reasons why she acted this way, but when people only see what's in front of them and not try to see the picture as a whole, it kind of bothers me. You can say a character is a b*tch. Fine! Whatever .. but if people only say that they are being a b*tch because of what everyone else says, it comes off one-sided. I need them to be like Prontea and make their own compelling and sound argument.

I agree...and the reason I didn't like the way she acted was because of the hypocrisy in her principles and it was further backed up by what Prontea told her and her reaction to his question.

The way I see it is that hypocrisy is a normal occurence for people. It may be unethical, but let's be real. It's part of human culture and we are a twisted bunch. That's why I am annoyed w/ a handful of people in the chat w/ biased opinions towards Gil. There were probably hidden details that can't be expressed or drawn of why Gil reacted the way that she did. It doesn't justify our reasoning to call her out on her bullsh*t when we probably have been a Gil ourselves once in a lifetime.

Him doing that doesn't make it right. They're both wrong. That's it. Nothing more nothing less.

Explain to me why Prontea is "wrong"? Because of the nun's mistaken sense of justice?

He is wrong cause he is powerful. With power comes responsibility. If they were mindless beasts, it would be alright to kill them. But they aren't like that. They are half humans. He could keep them alive and avert the danger they pose.

Also, what's the point in keeping a demon as weak as that alive? To do what exactly? The Idaten kept those other demons alive because they were powerful, high ranking demons and they had the ability to give them good intel.

They aren't "half humans" chief. They're demons. Idaten's sole purpose in this world is to eradicate the earth from the threat of demons. The show explicitly states this. So how tf is he wrong for carrying out his purpose and protecting a human from being killed by a demon? "Because he's powerful"?? Well no shit he's powerful. And he used that power for good to save a life. How the fuck is that wrong? This logic is so so bad. Doesn't matter if the demon had intelligence. It had the clear intent of ending the nun's life like it was nothing.

Think of this though, to who? Who is he powerful to? And that power, what is it? Probably the human equivalent would be learning to walk or riding a bike. Again there's a lot of lost perspective. Because where he stands he's just a dude doing his thing. The Idaten wouldn't even give a shit about the war if it wasn't for demons pulling the strings so there's a lot of things, from the humans POV that would be 'wrong or evil' of the gods as you've been saying.

She isn't a heretic. She's just a normal kind human.

That's what I am saying. This anime isn't about who is right and who is wrong. It's about two factions that are wrong fighting. My problem is with idiots saying that the nun is an idiot for thinking that Idatens aren't right.

You put this the best way possible.
I agree that her emotions there is unreasonable for them, but I really understand where she came from. The value of life and death was treated like it's nothing by the deities when he killed from her eyes.

At least that's nice to see about her tho.
That mean she's tough mentally and isn't easily broken despite being go through like the horrid treatments by the empire.
But I do agree about what prontea said to her.

It's not morals. It's principles. And yeah people with a strong sense of justice would rather die than breach their principles.

The funny thing is...her principles are hypocritical so.

They aren't. They are our morals in this day and age. Those in power don't have the rights to kill anyone.

They literally do though. Barack Obama ordering the murder of Osama Bin Laden is an example that comes off the top of my head. Her principles are hypocritical because it's exactly like Prontea said. The nun had no issue with Hayato killing the Emperor because he had a hard fight and barely won in the end. But she had a problem with Prontea because "she couldn't bare to seen opponent kill their enemy so casually". In both scenarios the enemy dies. The only difference is the level of difficulty required to kill the enemy. Other than that there is no difference. She's a hypocrite.

Maybe the nun is right those demon bad things but taking a life is not good haha

Humor me. Had that attacker been human, would you change your opinion?